INDIGOCAST #7 | Dark City, The Matrix Movies/Games, etc. w/​ @GmanLives (FULL SPOILERS)

INDIGOCAST #7 | Dark City, The Matrix Movies/Games, etc. w/​ @GmanLives (FULL SPOILERS)

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I’m going to be sitting down with fellow video game, Matrix and Dark City aficionado, @GmanLives , to discuss the history of “simulated world” movies and video games, including The Matrix franchise (The Matrix, Animatrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions and the recently released The Matrix Resurrections), their video games (Enter the Matrix, Path of Neo and The Matrix Online), Dark City, and potentially some other, lesser-known media like The Thirteenth Floor and eXistenZ.

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“Matrix Nerds”:

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8 Comments

  1. phobos2077 on December 28, 2021 at 1:42 pm

    Why would you stain your rep with this "guest"? Man…

  2. Douglas Mok on December 28, 2021 at 2:13 pm

    Loved this collab, tons of great info and opinions shared

  3. Borous on December 28, 2021 at 2:22 pm

    Oh there’s a lot of audio issues starting around 25 minutes in, I can sort of tell what’s being said but that’s a bummer.

  4. Kellin Winslow on December 28, 2021 at 2:25 pm

    The Matrix is a great film,no doubt. But it’s not so good that the second and third films can’t compare. Frankly,in a lot of ways,they are better than the first film. The less said about the new one though,the better.
    Many of the films that The Matrix cribbed from are better as well. Mamoru Oshii’s Ghost In The Shell is better and Cronenberg’s Existenz is more thought provoking. Frankly Oshii’s 2001 film,Avalon,is better and has become far more relevant as time has moved on. Especially when it comes to gaming culture and consequences of treating it like a replacement for reality. The Matrix does have better action true,but that’s not a huge draw for true Sci Fi as far as I’m concerned.
    True the pacing of the film is good,but the best? Hardly. Films like Lawrence Of Arabia,The Godfather 2,The Terminator,Taxi Driver and Kurosawa’s Ran,all have amazing pacing and storytelling that serves a purpose and doesn’t waste screen time. Personally I wouldn’t remove a scene from Blade Runner either but I also love films like 2001 that take their time to bring you into their world.

  5. Guilherme 'White' on December 28, 2021 at 2:25 pm

    So great!

  6. Chromeberd on December 28, 2021 at 2:30 pm

    Hey I’ll take the low budget Civvie 11. Solid podcast as always.

  7. Ds on December 28, 2021 at 2:32 pm

    I absolutely love the scene where Morpheus screams and smashes through the wall to tackle the agent…

  8. ZorkWHouse81 on December 28, 2021 at 2:32 pm

    (apologize for the length of this, but I kept thinking of other things to add as I was listening) I actually did see Dark City in the theater, but I don’t remember a whole lot about the experience. I can say though that I did like it enough that I bought the DVD not too long after it came out. (going back and adding this since you started talking about it – I was working in a music store at the time it came out and I bought the soundtrack as well. I think it had an Echo and the Bunnymen song and there were some other good ones on there, including a cover of "the night has a thousand eyes") Another movie I like that has some of the same kind of style was Donnie Darko. I know parts of it are a bit sillier maybe, but I definitely saw that one in the theater and it left you walking away wondering what the $%$# exxactly had happened. Subsequent views made it more apparent, but it was really neat over all – and it had a cool visual style as well. I’m a huge fan of Bladerunner and the like – other PKD based films like A Scanner Darkly and even Johnny Neumonic (sp?), as well as the remake of the… darn it, trying to remember the name, the original had Arnold in it I think, but the remake started someone else but it was better than the original one. (just remembered, I think it was Total Recall – I know I could have looked it up on wikipedia, but I try to resist doing that if I can to give my memory a chance/workout. still a little old-fashioned as well I guess.)
    I haven’t seen the new Matrix because I’m not keen on going to the theater at the moment and also because the reviews from folks (not the critics but like folks on here).
    Ooh.. no no, I actually really like the voiceover. Lots of people hate it, but to me the noir aesthetic needs the voice-over in a way. I have the original version on VHS. For the longest time Ridley Scott wouldn’t release the original cut on DVD, but I think he finally did on one of the bigger Bladerunner box sets. There are some really really good documentaries on the box set as well – maybe 2 or 3 of them covering different aspects of the film (special effects and art style and a couple others) I think it is definitely worth watching the original cut of Bladerunner if you’re able to. Also wanted to throw in that I’ve been watching/following the cyberpunk series and its been really good. I grew up with a lot the cyber-punk-ish films and eventually the books. My dad gave me the Neuromancer book when i was in high school and i really got into that series. There’s another neat book that isn’t cyberpunk but its adjacent in a way. It’s a book called "Dream Park." It’s about this essentially LARP game, but that is done with projectors and live actors etc and its played as this competitive sport almost. But its from the early 80’s and it really pre-figures the whole concept of high production value live action role playing. There’s more to the story but I won’t spoil any of it in case you want to check it out. There were a couple books in a series about it, but the first one is the best and the one I’ve gone back to and read several times. **amended: found my copy of it. It was written by Larry Niven and its from 1981. So its actually older than I thought even, and I guess that much more revolutionary given how early it is. I think the Freddy one is with the kids like marionettes with strings and stuff to move the arms/legs etc – those movies creeped me out and so I haven’t seen them too many times, but I do seem to remember that part in one of them. (if I’ve got it right) All I know is that when I saw the Matrix it definitely did not jump out to me that it had been ripping off Dark City and so I wonder if that’s not something that’s come about later on (I remember you mentioning that in your video but I don’t recall exactly what you said a about the nature of it. Maybe the fact that it is kinda dark and gritty and has a bit of a goth flair to it, but Dark City feels more like noir and the Matrix doesn’t really at all. So I don’t really see any major overlaps. If anything Dark City has more of a David Lynch aesthetic, almost like in the Eraserhead universe – and the matrix is more cyberpunk-ish. I managed to miss Fury Road in the theaters but I’m a big fan of the earlier movies. The original Mad Max was hard to find here in the US for a good while (its another like the original cut of Bladerunner that I had to get on VHS from ebay around the time it went online. that was the one place you could find really weird, out of print or hard to come by stuff) – while Road Warrior and Thunderdome you could pick in a lot of stores. I don’t know how controversial it is now, but I actually really did/do like the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies as well. When Neo finally recognizes his true powers and can suddenly destroy Agent Smith and anyone else in and out of the Matrix it just had such an awesome feel to it – where you’re just get this feeling, after he’s been sort of fighting him to a draw and/or just hanging on up until that point and so that transition is just "ok, here we go.." And maybe its a bit cheesy to a degree, but I think from an emotional standpoint and how triumphant it feels overall – that part still gives me a little chill when I see it.

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