Why I dislike Japanese Storytelling in Video Games

Why I dislike Japanese Storytelling in Video Games

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  1. CapCel on November 22, 2022 at 7:23 am

    Calm down! Its translation flaw.. the camp is a part of the charm, maybe you just don’t get it.

  2. Juan Manuel Peña Barón on November 22, 2022 at 7:25 am

    I can understand the games but teel me the truth how many anime have you watched? Because it cleary show you really ignorant about anime you watched a bunch of modern shows but dont really watch the good one have you even watch monster perfect blue ghost in the shell there are plenty showa that are amazing at show dont tell you can dislike it but dont generalize because it really shows how ignorant you are bout the medium watch more anime that are not modern seasonals and then we can talk

  3. joecoolmccall on November 22, 2022 at 7:25 am

    I don’t really read or follow much Japanese or Anime type  media, but your first point about  the issue of "symbolism" and need to have vast cultural background knowledge for a clear understanding is quite odd- since many of the greatest pieces of western literature often require just as much understand of culture as what you seem to be complaining about.

  4. Black Spiderman on November 22, 2022 at 7:25 am

    I agree with this guy. This is the reason I dont like the story of kingdom hearts 3. I dont know what the heck is going on.

  5. James Nguyen on November 22, 2022 at 7:25 am

    For some reason, when I first read the title of this video, I excluded "Why I dislike" for some reason. It’s like my brain doesn’t want me to be logical

  6. Joseph Ward on November 22, 2022 at 7:28 am

    Japanese games have always been Shallow and Childish compared to Western games…..

  7. Jacksirrom on November 22, 2022 at 7:28 am

    So many Japanese games and media seem so deeply un-serious to me. Lost in careless, cheap translation – I hope…

  8. Bandit on November 22, 2022 at 7:30 am

    This is perfectly fine and reasonable opinion, I agree. Weebs malding.

  9. Capped miner 369 on November 22, 2022 at 7:31 am

    What do you think of Killer7 and death note

  10. tydarius jackson on November 22, 2022 at 7:31 am

    Yea I’m with you on the Japanese games but anime ain’t got shit to do with games like you said on another video that game developers put so much in they game anime developers do too it’s even harder because each episode are put together one paper at a time and drawing five pages is like five seconds which they have to make 20 minutes a episode just think of all the fucked up drawings they had to throw away

  11. Cyricist001 on November 22, 2022 at 7:35 am

    I don’t like Japanese games, very disappointed with them.
    But dude, the anime you mentioned are shit. I hope you watched something better as a measuringstick.

  12. Mike Gorf on November 22, 2022 at 7:35 am

    People hate fun nowadays

  13. Talhah Qureshi on November 22, 2022 at 7:36 am

    PLEASE watch Attack on Titan, might just change your opinion

  14. Dason on November 22, 2022 at 7:36 am

    I’m a fan of Japanese games but I agree with all of your points

  15. ryan2flyin on November 22, 2022 at 7:36 am

    This video puts the nail on the head

  16. Sorrowdusk on November 22, 2022 at 7:36 am

    🤔 Curious….wonder what he thinks of Elden Ring

  17. D. San on November 22, 2022 at 7:36 am

    This video is someone just having no ability to see other viewpoints.
    No rule is a rule. It’s just what technique people think work. Your mistake with this video is thinking you have to explain it. And more so not using clear examples. A lot of vague ideas. So you are not in fact explaining. And your points are not shown. Your footage is bad because of it. Also this idea that these are tropes are universal are also ridiculous. You aren’t showing any universality. Someone even mentioned you used three games from the same developer as examples.
    So I have to guess at the situation to explain it.
    A character can look rough and be fine. But why would someone say it. Because it adds drama to it. Same reason why a wrestling event would. It creates tension.

    You also answered your own question with symbolism. Either the character is doing it on purpose. Or more likely they are just doing an action that you interpret as symbolic in universe. Of course it’s not even that common.

    But using over the top action games from platinum as an example is ridiculous.

    You’d have to look at movies, books, anime, and manga to talk about their story telling. And if you mean in games only then say that.

    Characters don’t just break into a dance. That is unique to Bayonetta. But you’re acting like the musical genre doesn’t exist. This showcases the style of the production itself. This happens in Bayonetta because that is what Bayonetta is. They create a world where it can happen. And she’s showing off her personality in that way. It is a way to make something fun.

    So aside from picking the weirder games and overly extrapolating. You keep missing the point. It’s like asking why movies don’t all use realistic color palettes(none usually do). It sets the mood. It helps the game world. Why does Yakuza have it, because it sets the tone and it’s also gameplay.

  18. No Name on November 22, 2022 at 7:40 am

    I’m a huge fan of anime and I respect your opinion and I agree with a lot of your points. However, most of your points, although true, are the reason I love anime. I don’t see why so many people disliked this video… everything you said was well thought out and you didn’t make fun of anyone.

  19. kogorun on November 22, 2022 at 7:40 am

    Bayonetta scene is both a riff at wuxia (think kung-fu films) with characters showing off their prowess in forms (katas) before a fight, and opportunity to show that she’s the best at weird strip-tease fighing magicks.
    GUESS YOU DIDN’T GET THAT REFERENCE, TOO.

  20. CapCel on November 22, 2022 at 7:44 am

    U are obviously boring and have a lack of taste and style my condolences lol.

  21. Joe on November 22, 2022 at 7:45 am

    Idk why but when it comes to anything made by japan
    People seem to have really low standards for them

  22. luisLr4 on November 22, 2022 at 7:45 am

    Fuck japan and there video shit games

  23. ABSW on November 22, 2022 at 7:45 am

    As far as the "show don’t tell" rule goes, there are some japanese video games that handle it really well. Silent Hill 2, Dark Souls, Bloodborne etc… Those games really know how to deliver exposition without forcing it down your throat.

  24. Lurker Prime on November 22, 2022 at 7:46 am

    While personally a dating sim does sound stupid to me, I looked up the dance scene from Bayonetta and it reminds me of a scene from Devil May Cry 4 where the main protagonist Dante, has a conversation with a villain/boss in theatrical style. There are stage lights, dramatic pauses, everything! And while what they’re saying has some subsistence to it, the way they perform it is completely unnecessary…AND I LOVE IT! If you truly want to enjoy illogical moments in video games and anime like these, in my opinion you need to turn your brain off. Tell the logical thinking part of your brain to just take a nap, and enjoy the show! "Hey, that guys sword has an engine in it, and when he revs said engine he does more damage." Is it logical? No! Does it look cool? uh, YES!

  25. Dom Dom on November 22, 2022 at 7:47 am

    Persona 5 changed my live (and point of view) about Japanese culture

  26. O. Benjamin on November 22, 2022 at 7:48 am

    7:42 FF14 is so full of that!

  27. Alex Carr on November 22, 2022 at 7:49 am

    I agree with all your points, I can only think of one example of a Japanese story I enjoy (the story, there’s lots of games I like) is Metroid (excluding Other M).

    Even a "staple" franchise like Zelda doesn’t appeal to me with it’s story at all (and the last game I enjoyed was Twilight Princess on GC, Wii version is garbage). The appeal to me is the exploration and actual gameplay.

    I’m not much of an Anime person for the same reasons. When you remove the interactivity I can’t enjoy it anymore. As a kid I watched DBZ and Pokemon, and most anime i’ve seen since comes off as too "kid friendly" now or just to weird to make sense.

  28. Riko Robinson on November 22, 2022 at 7:52 am

    I can’t believe this is getting more dislikes than likes. Japanese writing is effin’ awful. That’s an indisputable fact. Good writers have certain habits, as do bad writers, and Japanese story telling his those awful tropes, character arcs, and character archetypes every single time.

  29. Sledge O'Matic on November 22, 2022 at 7:52 am

    Actually, the dance-off does have a point. It’s the same reason why the musical ‘Annie, Get Your Gun’ has a song called ‘Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better’. They were having a British Witch version of a dick-measuring contest.

    Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who has never played the game. It’s just glaringly obvious from the context of the situation. The previous scene alone well establishes that she’s got a massively arrogant ego. So when she comes across an enemy trying to cop her style, of course she’s going to call them out on it. With her BODY LANGUAGE, Bayonetta was saying, ‘You think you’re a sexy witch? Well I’m THE sexy witch’.

  30. Mohammad Shoaib on November 22, 2022 at 7:55 am

    i hope no one ask him to try watching jojo 😂😂😂

  31. nawfal misconi on November 22, 2022 at 7:56 am

    @TheGamerTronShow First off, Japanese culture is very unique, and you have to slightly dig into it to find the answers to some of your questions. I don’t play Japanese games, but from what I see it’s kinda like anime.

    They do these weird unnecessary moves and stuff because normal is boring, Japanese lifestyle is very repetitive, you get out of your bed to do the same thing everyday and repeat it tomorrow, so a little crazy actions and moves are in games and anime to give more freedom. Think of it as the people making the game are ‘caged’ by everyday life, and anime/games are their way to escape that

    As for the sexual moves/scenes in games/anime…well that’s pretty easy, Japanese are sexual closed people. Most of them don’t get married and prefer single life, they’re shy, respectful and all that jazz…..so a way to ‘express’ this is with hentai scenes and lines like you see in many anime (like you bump into a girl and your face magically lands on her boobs). Also if you see the stereotype of big boobs and very mature women…well not a lot of Japanese girls have these traits, so the guys imagine they’re ideal women (that doesn’t exist within their daily life or country) and make her into their games and anime

    As for the anime part. It’s sorta like games, it’s basically the same shit but different names, characters and story. Think of it like a picture on a wall….the picture is still the same, but the frame is getting changed

    I’m telling you that you’re looking in the wrong place, popular=/good, I learned that the hard way, I’m also pissed like you about the stupidity and repetitiveness of anime…BUT there are hidden gems out there, and only then you’re see how amazing anime is, just like a game

    I advise you see anime movies (independent ones, not like a naruto movie for example) these are the amazing hidden gems I’ve seen. Don’t give up just yet 😉

  32. Alan Smithee on November 22, 2022 at 7:57 am

    I came in expecting my opinions to be challenged, I came out thinking "I agree with pretty much everything in this video and I cannot come up with many good counterarguments".

  33. TKChillin on November 22, 2022 at 7:59 am

    Damn, I thought I was the only one who felt this way…Why I think a lot of PlayStation exclusives are crap!

  34. Lichmourne on November 22, 2022 at 7:59 am

    Sooo… anime…. lots of refrences to stuff that happens a lot in anime… so unleas you watch your beginner anime… the medium as a whole will go right over your head. As far was asian games… yeah pretty petty reason to dislike a story and personally havent played the games you talked about but the asian games I have played I did not notice the points you gave.

  35. Mons00n on November 22, 2022 at 8:00 am

    I don’t like Japanese games.

    I’m sorry.

  36. Mathew Hosier on November 22, 2022 at 8:01 am

    While I love jrpgs for their gameplay and progression elements, I totally agree when it comes to story and characters it can be extremely bland and odd

  37. Sorrowdusk on November 22, 2022 at 8:02 am

    Dance off? Aint it obvious: Fan Service.

  38. irllcd13 on November 22, 2022 at 8:03 am

    453 triggered, butthurt weebs downvoted.

    It seems like Japanese games, as far as storytelling goes, haven’t heard of "Show, don’t tell."

    I’ve always been unimpressed with the story in Japanese games. When I was in school, everyone was raving and obsessing over FF7. When I tried it, I was like "…that’s it? What’s the big deal?" but at the same time I was playing Baldur’s Gate and Fallout, games that actually understand nuance, choice, "show don’t tell," subtlety and that "less is more." Cloud’s character development begins and ends with "Look at me! I’m such a badass, I look awesome!" when in reality, which is often the case with Japanese protagonists, he just looks like a brooding, fruity, metrosexual teenager. It takes more than that to be a badass.

  39. Quotation on November 22, 2022 at 8:03 am

    The Bayonetta nitpick was the only one that really raised my eyebrow, because the whole thing is the token mirror match trope and it was done in DMC3 granted after the boss fight is when they did a little lame ass shimmy, Zelda (has a hard on for it) and Metroid also did it.

  40. Nikola Petrović on November 22, 2022 at 8:04 am

    AS much as i love Dark souls games (and now Elden Ring) i don’t understand them at all and don’t care enough to invest time to figure out it’s convoluted lore. I play the games for cool gear and cool battles

  41. 3 Mile Island on November 22, 2022 at 8:04 am

    Western narratives = Drama (like real life)
    Japanese narratives = Melodrama (NOT like real life)

  42. Tiger Festivals on November 22, 2022 at 8:05 am

    I Can (Not) Respect Your Opinion

  43. Lordani66 on November 22, 2022 at 8:09 am

    >Spend minutes to explain how it’s just your opinion.
    >Still get dislikes.

    Weebs are pathetic nut cases. They all should consider suicide but I’m sure they do that multiple times per day. And it’s a fact, japanese games suck all around. PS2 type of gameplay, PS3 graphics, truly pathetic. There was only one japanese game this gen, Bloodborne.

  44. Riko Robinson on November 22, 2022 at 8:09 am

    You are right. On every point. And at a certain point, "good writing" is objective. It’s why the Fast and Furious films are wildly popular, yet despite there being a million of them, they’ve never been awarded anything. Popular doesn’t equal good…

  45. レッド on November 22, 2022 at 8:13 am

    Cherrypick much? You don’t seem to understand my culture well. I’m actually filipino japanese.

  46. Göran Isacson on November 22, 2022 at 8:14 am

    All I’ll say is that I wish you had given actual examples for the first two flaws like you did with the third, since that would have helped me understand the complaints a lot more.

    I kinda agree with you on the point of "random weird out of nowhere" stuff. Japanese stories CAN have humor that is based on dialogue or word-play or slowly building up a chaotic situation piece by piece until the zaniness on screen is both completely absurd AND easy to understand since you see where it’s coming from… but they very often don’t. At times these supposedly funny scenes feel like they come out of nowhere and are then summarily ignored, leaving you scratching your head because it doesn’t feel like they meant anything or had any point to it.

    My uneducated "armchair anthropologist" theory is that Japanese society seems to be ENORMOUSLY strict and stiff. Everything seems so orderly and regulated by a metric ton of unspoken rules you must know or disgrace yourself, and there is no way to just ask what they are because Japanese language seems to treat anything straightforward as automatially super-omega-extremely rude.

    So think about… let’s say "The Office".
    (God I hope you have seen The Office)
    Part of its appeal is to let us roll our eyes at seeing the inanity of modern corporate life exaggarated and lambasted for what it is. We get an understanding wink, someone who says they get how dumb and contra-productive it all is, but we deal with it anyway because that’s just life. Japanese humor doesn’t really feel like it can ever be this blase or laid-back about itself. Every joke must be SUPER-WACKY and out of nowhere, come and go at breakneck speed. It kind of feels like… they’re ashamed of themselves for laughing.

    They want the release a joke brings, they want to have a moment in which they get to laugh and be elevated beyond societal bullshit… but they don’t want it to last TOO long. They don’t want it to linger, they don’t want a joke that will stay with them and occupy their mind because how dare they use time they could spend on something useful on something so wasteful as "building up to a joke" or "letting a joke’s unspoken assumptions linger and develop after it’s been told"? Disgraceful! No, better to just throw it in as fast as possible, have it over and done with as soon as possible, and then just continue on our merry way.

    Now I totally pulled this out of my ass, I am no anthropolgist and most of this comes from the negative image I have of Japan as an extremely formal and soulkillingly stiff culture as a whole. It is an extreme, and I am totally open to there being nuances of it that I just don’t get- that it’s all a matter of not seeing the proper references that brings context to the humor. But I see stuff like manzai, and many a "humor" anime, and, well… after a while you just gotta come to a conclusion based on what you’ve experienced.

    But on the other hand, I will also admit that you CAN also aim a lot of your complaints at western slapstick cartoons as well. The Looney Tunes are FULL of the stuff, but do you still like them? Honest question, I’ve no idea if you just cathegorically dislike slapstick or if you are okay with some of it. If you do, what is different from Looney Tunes out-of-nowhere zaniness compared to Japanese out-of-nowhere zaniness? A lot of humor relies on cultural short-hand, after all. References we just don’t get unless we¨re mired in the culture from which it came. You could argue there are differences between the specific WAYS Western and Eastern stories are random and zany, but in this video you just describe how Eastern stories are wacky without really specifying how THEIR wackiness if different than Western wackiness. So I don’t know if you are down on wackiness IN GENERAL, or if you have some specific beef with just Eastern wackiness.

    Though PS: Bayonetta had a dance-battle because some bish stepped up looking exactly like her, and she wanted to show that SHE had the most swag. So it was an impromptu dance battle with an impostor. It’s essentially the whole "Bugs Bunny sees someone dressed up like him in a doorway but acts like it’s a mirror and starts making funny faces seeing if they replicate it, and then ends with him smacking their heads in with a hammer".

    I’m not saying it always makes sense, but I am saying that Bayonetta IS more or less a Looney Tune and the story operates on that level. So it isn’t too weird, from that perspective.

  47. Selvares on November 22, 2022 at 8:15 am

    thanks for saying that, i thought i was the only one

  48. レッド on November 22, 2022 at 8:15 am

    You’re kinda missing the point and just nitpicking a lot. Games like Killer is Dead and Bayonetta are supposed to be "weird"(at least to you americans) and the stories don’t matter. Have you even played games like Xenogears or Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger.

  49. Urglefloggah The Third on November 22, 2022 at 8:19 am

    I couldn’t possibly agree more, Japanese storytelling, particularly in games and anime, is shockingly nonsensical, and even when it tries to be realistic and grounded, or at least gritty, (Metal Gear series, Death Stranding) they either come across as utter nonsense or retcon their previous instalments into non-existence in order to explain the latest plot hole.

    Even the game that introduced a great many non-Japanese to JRPGs, Final Fantasy VII made no sense past a certain point when I originally played it back in the late 1990s, and many years later downloading it from the PlayStation store I gave up pretty early as the story just wasn’t engaging.

    Western roleplaying games that came out around the same time (the Baldur’s Gate series, Planescape Torment) had solid stories, hell, even the hack and slash stuff like Diablo made sense and had some interesting, but easy to understand twists and turns, even if the story wasn’t sterling, but JRPGs seem aimed at people with the common sense and critical ability of the average dead gerbil.

  50. Devansh Singh Rawat on November 22, 2022 at 8:22 am

    Guess what , by liking this video I made the no. of likes and no. of dislikes equal lol XD

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